PLR Party Recruitment

[Azerzia]

In order to comply with E-2:

Message

Hello [nation]NAME[/nation],

I am messaging you on behalf of the Party for Leftist Republicanism. We are a political party, much in the same way the Democratic or Labour parties are political parties. we will work within the government and push for change by creating bills, policies and putting forward party candidates. We are a a very new party and are looking for new members to get involved and make a change in our region.

Our party supports a strong, transparent executive who is more open to new ideas. We want our government to work on behalf of the Open Parliament (our region's legislature), with faith given to that government, with the understanding that the Open Parliament will be constantly kept in the loop on activities.

If you have any questions, feel free to message me or see the full party program here:socialliberal.proboards.com/thread/1662/party-leftist-republicanism-plr

I hope we can count on your support.

With best regards,
[nation]NAME[/nation]
(Position in the party)

Senders:
Azerzia

My apologies to all states, I was unaware that EO2 carried over to messages about recruitment for organizations, not just for electoral campaigns and campaigning for a law. I have posted this as soon as I found out I was in violation.

[Azerzia]

I would like to get approval on this soon; since the Speaker position is vacant and cannot approve the messages, and since this would fall under both the Delegate and the Speaker if we assume this falls under E-2, and no Speaker is here to approve meaning there cannot be agreement between the Delegate and speaker, I need Parliament's approval in a vote for 2 days. The other way to look at it is we need to wait for the Speaker election, which I would want to avoid but will accept if needed. So the question is, does it sound good to everyone if I put this to a vote then?

[Millyland]

You should wait for Grolsch's input first, IMO. But, I would say a vote is a bad idea at the moment. This is not very urgent at all, and I don't believe 2 days is long enough for all members to have a say. (I know it's in E-2, all the more reason to wait until the Speaker elections are done)

[Azerzia]

I was hoping to have the party up for the election, was my reasoning. But, we can wait and I was waiting to hear thoughts before actually starting the vote and wanted to see if the vote would be allowed

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

NAR is acting as our Speaker for the interim at the moment. However, that's not even relevant: I haven't received any information from you beforehand. Anyway, thank you for correcting your mistake.

[Azerzia]

I figured posting this and bringing up the approval process counted as pre-approval. IF there is another process, I can go through that?

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

No, this is post-approval. Were it to be pre-approval, you should have contacted NAR and me before sending any recruitment message, have the message itself approved by both of us (or OP if there would be a disagreement between us), start this thread, and then start TGing. That's the appropriate process ;)

[Azerzia]

I was not aware that E-2 applied to all messages sent in the SLU about a specific topic; I felt on the reading it dealt with electoral/Parliament campaigns. Upon being told my mistake I have stopped sending recruitment messages (I didn't finish sending them) and am waiting for the appropriate approvals before starting again. I am not trying to circumvent the law or anyone's authority, just had a different reading of a semi-ambiguous text.

Even if not pre-approval because of the reading-issue, could I gain approval in general for the message in question?

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

I don't know. Legally, it wouldn't make sense to do it, really.

[Millyland]

What exactly do you mean? 

EDIT: Wrong thread

[Azerzia]

How does it not make sense? I was accidentally in violation in your reading. I have thus gone through the necessary steps to correct my error, but I cannot do so because I have already made an error? I am asking for approval to send messages to those who have not yet received one, not those who already have.

I obviously would not be able to just change the message and send again (since that is good as duplicate), so I could not get approval on that message either. Beyond that, not just me but any member of the party cannot recruit because no recruitment can be approved. In essence, because of a misunderstanding which is actively being corrected, the party is now doomed to die for forever?

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

Well, then it'd be easier if you'd create a new campaign and not TG those you've already TGed.

[Azerzia]

In essence, that is what I am asking for. Since the prior campaign was not approved, this would be the first government approved one. The fact the messages are the same/similar should have no real bearing on if it is a second campaign, since the first non-approved campaign was not recognized by the government. That would mean I can get approval on it, at least to me.

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

You can start a new campaign and run it through the appropriate approval process in order to get it approved :)

[Azerzia]

What is it exactly that would make it a new campaign?

[Azerzia]

Could I ask what the status is on this?

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

You have not asked for permission for a new campaign. As such, there's no news.

If you would like to initiate a telegram campaign and do it legally, create a new one. Please note that you may only telegram once per cause. As such, it would be safe to assume that it is not allowed to telegram those you have telegrammed earlier.

Before starting the campaign, you should first get approval from me (and usually the Speaker, but it depends on the cause you're campaigning for). That should all go through official channels, so not through this forum. Once your telegram has been approved, you should create a thread on the forum containing that telegram, the names of those TGing, the cause and the goal of the telegram campaign.

[Azerzia]

The hurdles are getting higher or just more randomly placed. In any event, I will message you the content of the first post to start another campaign

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

I'm sorry, I respectfully disagree. I am very formal in this case, because that's my job. It is understandable that such an attitude isn't always perceived as a good thing ;)

[Azerzia]

I apologize for my rudeness, I felt I was getting the run around, as it were. Have to applyhere, can't apply now, have to apply via message. Just felt I was told several different ways to do this for the past week and I got frustrated. That does not give me the right to be rude however and, again, I apologize

[Kingdom of Grolsch]

Okay. You should have received a reply to your telegram from me. I do not know about NAR, but he usually replies quite quickly as well.

[North American Republics]

I guess I do reply rather quickly. As pro tempore Speaker, I'll sign off on the campaign.