Capitalism VS Communism

[Deleted]

I think this argument can be summed up pretty simply by saying this: capitalism, unlike communism, allows for the existence of other political ideologies.

[North American Republics]

If it is really as simple as you put it, then please explain to me how it is that I would be willing to have people with different ideologies in my vision of a communist society? Under capitalism, your voice is drowned money, under communism, money is drowned by your voice; communism, unlike capitalism, allows for the people to express themselves in ways they never would have been able to. See, simple summations do not help to further arguments. Debating upon specific points works best. If anything, I would say that this argument could be summed up pretty simply by saying: Political ideologies are going to be held in some fashion by all people and capitalism allows those ideologies to manifest themselves materially through political party apparatuses which then participate in a state decidedly working against the peoples interests whereas communism does away with the political party apparatus and platform and instead substitutes the thoughts and individual platforms of people directly.

I think that you equate one-party dictatorships with the practice of communism, and please correct me if my assumption is incorrect, but that is simply not the case. I personally argue for an abolition of political parties, as they do nothing but create bickering and divide populations, and in their place allow people to run in an election using the resources of the council (within my vision), or you could go it alone. Adhere to whatever ideology you wish to, but do not run on the platform of a party. People now have a tendency to vote based on the letter next to a candidates name and I want to change that badly.

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I feel as if the above is slightly off when it comes to discussing your argument, so I will rephrase it here.

People are able to adhere to any political ideology they wish to, under any economic system. Communism merely gives you much more of a direct say in what is happening around you, whereas capitalism relegates that authority to the "job creators."

[Deleted]

How do you express yourself when you have to deal with the large bureaucracy and numerous Councils?

[Avaerilon]

@nar: that's a gross generalisation. Both ideologies can allow you to express yourself as much as possible, as both can relegate authority to a special interest group; in the case of Communism, that will be either unions or the government.

[North American Republics]

You want to play music, go ahead. You want to participate in sports, do so. You want to write an epic to last the ages, grab some paper and get thinking. Want to shout anti-government slogans in front of the council? So as long as you aren't entering and disrupting people when they are giving a speech, go right on ahead. How would a small bureaucracy (as it would be down to your individual council), get in the way of expressing yourself?

That's not a gross generalization. If you have a say in your workplace, you have a direct say about what is happening around you, don't you? Both ideologies certainly do not allow you to express oneself as much as possible. If I had a boss and said to him that he was an ungrateful p***k (if he was. I wouldn't do that to a boss who seems to actually care), I would get fired without being able to protest.

[North American Republics]

Um...did this just die?

[Avaerilon]

Perhaps ;)

[North American Republics]

Since I posted last, that means that communism won (in this thread at least)! Yay! ;D

[Deleted]

This thread has been conquered. Now RL :p